Spirit baptism — at conversion, after it, or in the sacraments
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TestimonyArguments.SpiritBaptism — Spirit baptism: at conversion, after it, or in the sacraments
John promised that the one coming after him would "baptize you with the Holy Spirit" (Mark 1:8). A reader asks: is that something every Christian receives in becoming a Christian, or a second experience to seek after it? The question is mostly asked among Protestants, and it is about what follows conversion, not about justification itself. So it is an argument of its own, not a party to the sola fide dispute.
The views do not line up with the sides of that dispute. Lutherans and Rome have confessed together "that sinners are justified by faith in the saving action of God in Christ" (the Joint Declaration, §25), and that the Lutheran teaching it states "does not fall under the condemnations from the Council of Trent" (§41); Baptists, Pentecostals and the holiness churches did not sign it. Lutherans, the Reformed, Baptists, Pentecostals and the holiness churches all hold that faith alone justifies; Rome, which holds the sacramental view, does not hold that faith alone justifies, in the sense Trent condemned. On Spirit baptism, Lutherans stand partly with Rome (the Spirit is given in water baptism), and Baptists with the Reformed.
Three answers, four positions
- At conversion — Dunn, the most-cited scholarly case, and Stott. "In one Spirit we were all baptized into one body" (1 Corinthians 12:13): the baptism in the Spirit Christ gives is part of becoming a Christian, so there is no second one to seek.
- After conversion — two traditions, which this page calls the
subsequence views when it means both.
- The Pentecostal view (the Assemblies of God, 2010; Menzies; Stronstad): at conversion the Spirit baptizes into the body of Christ — 12:13 is baptism by the Spirit, "the Holy Spirit is the instrument" — and in "a subsequent and distinct experience, Christ will baptize in the Holy Spirit", as in Samaria (Acts 8) and at Ephesus (Acts 19), for empowerment.
- The holiness view: entire sanctification — a second work of grace after conversion, in which the believer is cleansed from sin and made perfect in love — is the baptism with the Spirit. The Church of the Nazarene confesses it: entire sanctification "is wrought by the baptism with or infilling of the Holy Spirit" (Manual 2023, Article X). It is contested from within: Wesley, whose teaching on the second work the holiness churches carry on, held the second work and declined the name — "they all 'received the Holy Ghost' when they were justified" — and in 2010 the faculty of the Nazarene seminary, keeping entire sanctification, wrote that they no longer hold that reading of the Spirit's baptism exegetically tenable.
- In baptism and confirmation — Rome: the Spirit is given in water baptism, "new birth in the Holy Spirit", and in confirmation "the full outpouring of the Holy Spirit as once granted to the apostles on the day of Pentecost". Lutherans hold the first half, and have no sacrament of confirmation. This is a later gift too, but a sacramental one: not a second baptism beyond the sacraments. The Catholic charismatic renewal, which speaks of a "baptism in the Spirit" of its own, is not encoded here.
What is not encoded yet:
- Tongues. The Assemblies of God hold that speaking in tongues is the initial evidence of Spirit baptism — the first outward sign that a believer has received it (their paper, summary statement 5). To rate that claim honestly needs a reader who grants the subsequence view and still denies the evidence doctrine, since everyone who denies subsequence denies it trivially. Pentecostal dissenters are known (Fee; Bosworth), but their words could not be verified, so the claim is left out rather than rated on memory.
- Paul's word and Luke's. "Baptized in the Spirit" may not mean the same in 1 Corinthians 12:13 as in Acts. Menzies grants that Paul's baptism in the Spirit comes at conversion and holds that Luke's is a different, later gift. If he is right, the conversion view and the Pentecostal view are partly answering different questions. The encoding uses one word for both; a dilemma over the word is the natural next step.
Where it turns
On the Acts narratives. The Pentecostal view holds that they are a pattern for
believers today, and Stott reads them as unrepeatable transitions, "not a
pattern"; read for what they mean, the two exclude each other, so the
Pentecostal view cannot read Acts as transitions at all
(pentecostal_cannot_read_acts_as_transitions), and Stott's reading denies one
of its premises (stott_undermines_the_pattern). Read as a pattern, the
narratives meet the variety of Acts itself — the Spirit falls on Cornelius's
household as they hear (10:44), and is promised with baptism at Pentecost
(2:38) — at a step the Assemblies of God contest. So the Pentecostal view must
read Acts as a pattern and answer its variety. What that costs the conversion view is
not checked here: Stott owes an account of why Luke's narratives set no order
for later believers; Dunn avoids the question by denying that the Samaritans
were yet believers before they received the Spirit; and Rome reads Acts 8:17
and 19:6 as confirmation (Catechism 1288).
Weighed as a dispute, nothing is forced (spirit_baptism_forces_nothing). The
conversion and sacramental views can be held together, and the two subsequence
views can be held together; every view can be defended, in one of the two
camps, and neither camp is forced.
Where things are
| File | Contents |
|---|---|
Atoms.lean | the texts, the readings, the three conclusions |
Sources.lean | cite, and the ratings of each step |
Positions.lean | the four views, and Acts read as a pattern |
Dispute.lean | the views weighed, the verdicts, and what Acts can be read as |
TestimonyArguments.SpiritBaptism.Atoms — the atomic claims
The texts each side reads, the readings each side gives them, and the three positions' conclusions. The texts are kept apart from the readings, so that a reader can see which claims are what Luke and Paul say and which are what a tradition says they mean.
TestimonyArguments.SpiritBaptism.Sources — citation and classification for every atom
cite is total, so an uncited atom does not compile. Each reading is cited to
a source that holds it; each step's rating is cited to whoever grants its
grounds and denies its conclusion.
Ratings for inference steps
The claims, numbered
| claim | kind | held | source | |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| \(P_{1}\) | 1 Corinthians 12:13 — in one Spirit we were all baptized into one body ※ | textual | Christian, historical-grammatical, consensus | 1 Cor 12:13 |
| \(P_{2}\) | Acts 8:14–17 and 19:1–7 — believers, already baptized, receive the Spirit afterwards (so the Assemblies of God; Dunn denies they were yet believers) | textual | Christian, historical-grammatical, disputed | assemblies-of-god-baptism-holy-spirit-2010; Acts 8:14-17; Acts 19:1-7 |
| \(P_{3}\) | Acts 10:44–48 — the Spirit falls on Cornelius's household before baptism ※ | textual | Christian, historical-grammatical, consensus | Acts 10:44-48 |
| \(P_{4}\) | Acts 2:38 — repent and be baptized, and you will receive the gift of the Spirit ※ | textual | Christian, historical-grammatical, consensus | Acts 2:38 |
| \(P_{5}\) | 1 Corinthians 12:13 is the baptism in the Spirit Christ gives, received by every believer at conversion | interpretive | Christian, historical-grammatical, disputed | dunn-baptism-holy-spirit-1970; stott-baptism-fullness-1975 |
| \(P_{6}\) | 1 Corinthians 12:13 is baptism by the Spirit into the body, not Christ baptizing in the Spirit | interpretive | Christian, historical-grammatical, disputed | assemblies-of-god-baptism-holy-spirit-2010 |
| \(P_{7}\) | In Luke-Acts, baptism in the Spirit is prophetic empowerment, distinct from the gift Paul ties to conversion | interpretive | Christian, historical-grammatical, disputed | menzies-lukes-understanding-2017; menzies-empowered-witness-1994; stronstad-charismatic-theology-1984 |
| \(P_{8}\) | Luke's narratives of receiving the Spirit are a pattern for believers today | interpretive | Christian, historical-grammatical, disputed | stronstad-charismatic-theology-1984; assemblies-of-god-baptism-holy-spirit-2010 |
| \(P_{9}\) | The episodes of Acts 8, 10 and 19 are unrepeatable steps in the gospel's spread, not a pattern | interpretive | Christian, historical-grammatical, disputed | stott-baptism-fullness-1975 |
| \(P_{10}\) | Entire sanctification is a second work of grace after justification | theological | Christian, historical-grammatical, disputed | church-of-the-nazarene-manual-2023, §Articles of Faith, X, ¶10; wesley-letters-1931, §to Joseph Benson, 28 December 1770; bassett-white-paper-article-x-2010 |
| \(P_{11}\) | The Spirit is given in water baptism: new birth in the Holy Spirit | theological | Roman Catholic, disputed | catholic-church-catechism-2000, §1262; catholic-church-catechism-2000, §1265; kolb-wengert-book-of-concord-2000, §Small Catechism, Baptism, third part |
| \(P_{12}\) | Confirmation gives the full outpouring of the Spirit, as at Pentecost and in Samaria | theological | Roman Catholic, disputed | catholic-church-catechism-2000, §1302; catholic-church-catechism-2000, §1288 |
| \(P_{13}\) | Every believer is baptized in the Spirit at conversion | theological | Christian, historical-grammatical, disputed | dunn-baptism-holy-spirit-1970; stott-baptism-fullness-1975 |
| \(P_{14}\) | A baptism in the Spirit distinct from and after conversion is to be sought | theological | Christian, historical-grammatical, disputed | assemblies-of-god-baptism-holy-spirit-2010; church-of-the-nazarene-manual-2023, §Articles of Faith, X, ¶10 |
| \(P_{15}\) | The Spirit is given in baptism and confirmation, not in a second baptism beyond the sacraments | theological | Roman Catholic, disputed | catholic-church-catechism-2000, §1302 |
※ grounded in scripture alone: the reading is assumed, not argued for.
The step from 1 Corinthians 12:13 to Spirit baptism at conversion is rated
disputed, conservatively. Dunn and Stott hold it. The Assemblies of God
reject its conclusion, but by denying a ground — that the verse speaks of Christ
baptizing in the Spirit: "'by' is the best translation, indicating that the Holy
Spirit is the instrument" — so they do not contest the step itself. No reader
was sought who grants both grounds and denies the conclusion, so the step is not
rated above the bottom.
def onTheConversionStep : Source :=
{ primary := Reference.work dunnBaptismInTheHolySpirit,
supporting :=
[Reference.work stottBaptismAndFullness,
Reference.work agBaptismPositionPaper],
tradition := Tradition.christianHistoricalGrammatical,
confidence := Confidence.disputed }
The step from Spirit baptism at conversion to "no second to seek" is contested, by Menzies. He grants that Paul's baptism in the Spirit at 1 Corinthians 12:13 is tied to conversion, and holds that Luke's is a different, prophetic gift, to be sought after it. Whether that is granting the ground and denying the conclusion, or reading "baptism in the Spirit" in two senses, is the question of Paul's word and Luke's, which this argument does not yet encode.
def menziesAgainstNoSecond : Source :=
{ primary := Reference.work menziesLukesUnderstanding,
supporting := [Reference.work menziesEmpoweredForWitness],
tradition := Tradition.christianHistoricalGrammatical,
confidence := Confidence.disputed }
The step from the Pentecostal reading of 1 Corinthians 12:13 is rated
disputed, conservatively. The Assemblies of God hold it. Dunn and Stott
reject its conclusion, but by denying a ground — they read the verse as the
baptism in the Spirit that Christ gives, not the Spirit as instrument — so they
do not contest the step itself. No reader was sought who grants both grounds and
denies the conclusion, so the step is not rated above the bottom.
def onTheInstrumentalStep : Source :=
{ primary := Reference.work agBaptismPositionPaper,
supporting :=
[Reference.work dunnBaptismInTheHolySpirit,
Reference.work stottBaptismAndFullness],
tradition := Tradition.christianHistoricalGrammatical,
confidence := Confidence.disputed }
The step from the Acts narratives to a second Spirit baptism is well supported: grant that believers in Samaria and Ephesus received the Spirit later, that Luke's Spirit baptism is empowerment, and that his narratives are a pattern, and the conclusion follows. Unlike the steps rated conservatively here, this one was audited for a reader who grants all three grounds and denies the conclusion, and none was found: the readers who reject it deny a ground — Dunn, that the Samaritans were yet Christians; Stott and Fee, that the narratives are a pattern. The other steps were not audited in their encoded form, so they stay at the bottom.
def actsToSubsequence : Source :=
{ primary := Reference.work agBaptismPositionPaper,
supporting := [Reference.work stronstadCharismaticTheology],
tradition := Tradition.christianHistoricalGrammatical,
confidence := Confidence.wellSupported }
The holiness step is contested, from within the Wesleyan tradition. The Church of the Nazarene holds it (Manual 2023, Article X). Wesley grants the "second change, whereby they shall be saved from all sin and perfected in love", and denies that it is Spirit baptism: "If they like to call this 'receiving the Holy Ghost,' they may: only the phrase in that sense is not scriptural and not quite proper; for they all 'received the Holy Ghost' when they were justified" (to Joseph Benson, 28 December 1770). The Nazarene seminary faculty, keeping entire sanctification, "no longer view the American holiness hermeneutic of the 'baptism of the Spirit' as exegetically tenable" (2010).
def wesleyAgainstTheHolinessName : Source :=
{
primary :=
Reference.work wesleyLetters
(Bib.Locus.sectionRef "to Joseph Benson, 28 December 1770"),
supporting := [Reference.work nazareneWhitePaper],
tradition := Tradition.christianHistoricalGrammatical,
confidence := Confidence.disputed }
The sacramental step is rated disputed, conservatively. Rome holds it
(Catechism 1302). Westminster rejects the sacramental view, but by denying a
ground — that the Spirit is given in the rite as Rome says: baptism's efficacy
"is not tied to that moment of time wherein it is administered" (XXVIII.6) — so
it does not contest the step itself. No reader was sought who grants the
grounds and denies the conclusion, so the step is not rated above the bottom.
def onTheRite : Source :=
{
primary :=
Reference.work catechismCatholicChurch (Bib.Locus.sectionRef "1302"),
supporting :=
[Reference.work westminsterConfession (Bib.Locus.sectionRef "XXVIII.6")],
tradition := Tradition.romanCatholic, confidence := Confidence.disputed }
The step from the Spirit given in the sacraments to "no second baptism to
seek" is rated disputed, conservatively. Rome holds it (Catechism 1302). The
natural contester is the Catholic charismatic renewal, which keeps the
sacramental gift and speaks of a "baptism in the Spirit" of its own; its texts
were not verified, so it is not cited, and the step is not rated above the
bottom.
def onTheSacramentalExclusion : Source :=
{
primary :=
Reference.work catechismCatholicChurch (Bib.Locus.sectionRef "1302"),
tradition := Tradition.romanCatholic, confidence := Confidence.disputed }
The step from the variety of Acts is contested, by the Assemblies of God. They grant Acts 10 and 2:38 and still read Acts as a pattern: their paper lists Acts 10:44–46 among the evidence for a subsequent experience.
def agAgainstTheVariety : Source :=
{ primary := Reference.work agBaptismPositionPaper,
tradition := Tradition.christianHistoricalGrammatical,
confidence := Confidence.disputed }
The step from the transitions reading is rated disputed, conservatively.
If the episodes of Acts are unrepeatable, they set no norm for believers today,
Stott argues. No reader was sought who grants the transitions reading and still
holds a second Spirit baptism to be the norm, so the step is not rated above the
bottom.
def stottOnTheTransitions : Source :=
{ primary := Reference.work stottBaptismAndFullness,
tradition := Tradition.christianHistoricalGrammatical,
confidence := Confidence.disputed }
Citations
Citation and classification for every atom. Total, so nothing is uncited.
def cite : Claim → AtomMeta
TestimonyArguments.SpiritBaptism.Positions — the four views, and what Acts can carry
Four views, each from a source that holds it — at conversion, Pentecostal,
holiness, sacramental — and two arguments about the Acts narratives: that Acts
gives the Spirit in more than one order, and that its episodes are transitions,
as Stott reads them. Read for what its claims mean, the Pentecostal view must
take the narratives as a pattern: "pattern" and Stott's "not a pattern" exclude
each other (pentecostal_cannot_read_acts_as_transitions). Each is a line of
reason: its own grounds, one step, what it delivers — and, where it answers a
rival, the step it answers with.
The conversion view
From 1 Corinthians 12:13, read as Christ baptizing in the Spirit, to Spirit
baptism at conversion. Rated disputed, conservatively: the Assemblies of God
deny its conclusion by denying a ground, the conversion reading.
If every believer is baptized in the Spirit at conversion, there is no second
Spirit baptism to seek. Rated disputed: Menzies grants that Paul's baptism in
the Spirit comes at conversion and holds that Luke's is a second gift, to be
sought. Whether he denies this step or uses the word in two senses is not yet
encoded.
conversionCase — At conversion (Dunn, Stott)
The conversion view, as Dunn and Stott hold it: every believer is baptized in the Spirit at conversion, so there is no second Spirit baptism to seek.
Grounded in scripture alone: 1 Corinthians 12:13 — in one Spirit we were all baptized into one body.
The Pentecostal view
instrumentalReadingExcludesConversion
The Pentecostal reading of 1 Corinthians 12:13 excludes the conversion
reading: if the Spirit is the instrument baptizing into the body, the verse is
not Christ baptizing in the Spirit. Rated disputed, conservatively: Dunn and
Stott deny its conclusion by denying a ground, the instrumental reading.
From the Acts narratives, read as a pattern of empowerment, to a second Spirit
baptism to be sought. Rated wellSupported: its rejecters deny a ground, not
the step.
pentecostalCase — After conversion (Assemblies of God; Menzies, Stronstad)
The Pentecostal view, as the Assemblies of God hold it: at conversion the Spirit baptizes into the body of Christ (1 Corinthians 12:13); in a subsequent and distinct experience Christ baptizes in the Spirit, as in Samaria and at Ephesus, for empowerment.
Grounded in scripture alone: 1 Corinthians 12:13 — in one Spirit we were all baptized into one body.
The holiness step: the second work of grace is the baptism with the Spirit,
to be sought after conversion. Rated disputed: Wesley grants the second work
and denies that it is "receiving the Holy Ghost".
holinessCase — A second work of grace (the holiness tradition)
The holiness view, as the Church of the Nazarene confesses it: entire sanctification is a second work of grace, and it "is wrought by the baptism with or infilling of the Holy Spirit" (Manual 2023, Article X). Contested from within its own tradition, by Wesley and by the Nazarene seminary faculty.
No premise here rests on scripture alone.
The sacramental view
From Acts 2:38, with the Spirit given in water baptism and fully in
confirmation, to the Spirit given in the sacraments, not in an experience to be
sought. Rated disputed, conservatively: Westminster, which holds that the grace
of baptism is not tied to the moment of the rite, denies a ground, not the
step.
If the Spirit is given in the sacraments, there is no second Spirit baptism to
seek beyond them. Rated disputed, conservatively: the Catholic charismatic
renewal is its natural contester, not yet cited.
sacramentalCase — In baptism and confirmation (Catholic)
The sacramental view, as Rome holds it: the Spirit is given in water baptism — "new birth in the Holy Spirit" — and fully in confirmation, "as once granted to the apostles on the day of Pentecost". A later gift, then, but a sacramental one, not a second baptism beyond the sacraments. Lutherans hold the first half, and have no sacrament of confirmation, so the view as encoded is Rome's.
Grounded in scripture alone: Acts 2:38 — repent and be baptized, and you will receive the gift of the Spirit.
What Acts can carry: two readings of the narratives
Acts gives no one order: the Spirit falls as Cornelius's household hears
(10:44), is promised with baptism (2:38), and comes later with the laying on of
hands (8:17; 19:6). So no episode is the pattern. Rated disputed: the
Assemblies of God grant Acts 10 and read it as evidence for subsequence.
varietyCase — Acts gives the Spirit in more than one order
The variety of Acts, as an argument: Acts gives the Spirit in more than one order, so no one episode is a pattern for believers today.
Grounded in scripture alone: Acts 10:44–48 — the Spirit falls on Cornelius's household before baptism, Acts 2:38 — repent and be baptized, and you will receive the gift of the Spirit.
If the Samaritan and Ephesian episodes are unrepeatable transitions, they set
no norm: no second Spirit baptism is to be sought on their strength. Stott's
step, rated disputed conservatively.
transitionCase — Acts 8 and 19 as transitions (Stott)
Acts read as transitions, as Stott reads it: the later reception of the Spirit in Samaria and at Ephesus marks steps in the gospel's spread, and sets no norm.
No premise here rests on scripture alone.
Reading the narratives as a pattern: the Assemblies of God and Stronstad.
def narrativesReadAsPattern : Source :=
{ primary := Reference.work stronstadCharismaticTheology,
supporting := [Reference.work agBaptismPositionPaper],
tradition := Tradition.christianHistoricalGrammatical,
confidence := Confidence.disputed }
The Acts narratives, read as a pattern for believers today.
def asAPattern : Reading Claim :=
{ name := "as a pattern for believers today",
commits := p Claim.actsNarrativesAreNormative,
source := narrativesReadAsPattern }
pentecostalOnAPattern — After conversion (Assemblies of God; Menzies, Stronstad), read as a pattern for believers today
The Pentecostal view, with the Acts narratives read as a pattern.
Grounded in scripture alone: 1 Corinthians 12:13 — in one Spirit we were all baptized into one body.
Readings, written down
The conversion view's world: every believer baptized in the Spirit at conversion, 1 Corinthians 12:13 read as Christ baptizing in the Spirit, the episodes of Acts as transitions, no pattern, and no second baptism to seek.
def conversionReading : Valuation Claim :=
fun a =>
match a with
| Claim.cor12_13IsBaptismByTheSpirit => False
| Claim.actsNarrativesAreNormative => False
| Claim.secondSpiritBaptismToBeSought => False
| Claim.entireSanctificationIsSecondWork => False
| x => True
The Pentecostal view's world: 1 Corinthians 12:13 as baptism by the Spirit into the body, Luke's Spirit baptism as empowerment, the narratives a pattern, and a second baptism to seek.
def pentecostalReading : Valuation Claim :=
fun a =>
match a with
| Claim.cor12_13IsChristBaptizingInTheSpirit => False
| Claim.spiritBaptismAtConversion => False
| Claim.actsEpisodesAreTransitions => False
| Claim.spiritGivenInTheSacraments => False
| x => True
Each position holds
Grant 1 Corinthians 12:13 read as Dunn and Stott read it, and every believer is baptized in the Spirit at conversion.
theorem conversionCase_establishes : Establishes conversionCase
-- axioms: propext, Quot.sound
The conversion view can be held without contradiction.
theorem conversionCase_is_satisfiable : Satisfiable conversionCase.premises
-- axioms: propext, Quot.sound
Grant the Acts narratives as a pattern of empowerment, and a second Spirit baptism is to be sought.
theorem pentecostalCase_establishes : Establishes pentecostalCase
-- axioms: propext, Quot.sound
pentecostalCase_is_satisfiable
The Pentecostal view can be held without contradiction.
theorem pentecostalCase_is_satisfiable : Satisfiable pentecostalCase.premises
-- axioms: propext, Quot.sound
Grant that the second work of grace is the Spirit's baptism, and it is to be sought.
theorem holinessCase_establishes : Establishes holinessCase
-- axioms: propext, Quot.sound
The holiness view can be held without contradiction.
theorem holinessCase_is_satisfiable : Satisfiable holinessCase.premises
-- axioms: propext, Quot.sound
Grant the Spirit given in water baptism and fully in confirmation, and the Spirit is given in the sacraments, not in an experience to be sought.
theorem sacramentalCase_establishes : Establishes sacramentalCase
-- axioms: propext, Quot.sound
sacramentalCase_is_satisfiable
The sacramental view can be held without contradiction: the conversion view's world holds it too.
theorem sacramentalCase_is_satisfiable : Satisfiable sacramentalCase.premises
-- axioms: propext, Quot.sound
The variety of Acts delivers its conclusion.
theorem varietyCase_establishes : Establishes varietyCase
-- axioms: propext, Quot.sound
The variety of Acts can be held without contradiction.
theorem varietyCase_is_satisfiable : Satisfiable varietyCase.premises
-- axioms: propext, Quot.sound
Acts read as transitions delivers its conclusion.
theorem transitionCase_establishes : Establishes transitionCase
-- axioms: propext, Quot.sound
Acts read as transitions can be held without contradiction.
theorem transitionCase_is_satisfiable : Satisfiable transitionCase.premises
-- axioms: propext, Quot.sound
What Acts can carry
pentecostalOnAPattern_is_satisfiable
The first reading is coherent: the Pentecostal view with the narratives as a pattern contradicts nothing by itself.
theorem pentecostalOnAPattern_is_satisfiable : Satisfiable
pentecostalOnAPattern.premises
-- axioms: propext, Quot.sound
whereTheVarietyMeetsThePattern
Why the variety of Acts stands against reading it as a pattern. The crux is the step from Acts 10 and 2:38: the Spirit comes as they hear, is promised with baptism, and comes later with hands laid on, so no one episode is the pattern. What it breaks is the Pentecostal view's premise that the narratives are a pattern. The step is disputed: the Assemblies of God grant Acts 10 and read it as evidence for subsequence.
Why Acts gives the Spirit in more than one order stands against After conversion (Assemblies of God; Menzies, Stronstad), read as a pattern for believers today.
- The crux: \((P_{3} \land P_{4}) \rightarrow \lnot P_{8}\), a premise of Acts gives the Spirit in more than one order.
- What it does: its conclusion does not follow without it.
- Granted: \(P_{3}\), \(P_{4}\), which the break also needs.
- Where the rival breaks: \(P_{8}\) cannot be held together with \((P_{3} \land P_{4}) \rightarrow \lnot P_{8}\) and \(P_{3}\), \(P_{4}\); each is needed for the break, and without the crux they stand.
- What this rests on:
- \(P_{3}\) Acts 10:44–48 — the Spirit falls on Cornelius's household before baptism — consensus: Acts 10:44-48
- \(P_{4}\) Acts 2:38 — repent and be baptized, and you will receive the gift of the Spirit — consensus: Acts 2:38
- the step itself — disputed:
assemblies-of-god-baptism-holy-spirit-2010
TestimonyArguments.SpiritBaptism.Dispute — the four views weighed
The four views as parties to one dispute: at conversion; after it, as the Pentecostals hold; after it, as the holiness tradition holds; and in baptism and confirmation, as Rome holds. The Pentecostal and holiness views are the subsequence views: both hold a second baptism in the Spirit, after conversion, to be sought. Who defeats whom is computed from their premises and checked by the kernel.
How to read the verdicts
- Defeats. One position contradicts another — denies one of its premises, its conclusion, or a claim it derives on the way — and is not the weaker of the two. A defeat that runs both ways is a standoff.
- Weakest link. A position is only as strong as its least-supported premise
or step. Every party here rests on something rated
disputed, the lowest rating, so no rating breaks a standoff. - Forced. Accepted however every standoff is resolved.
- Can be defended. Held by some consistent position that answers every attack on its members, itself or through an ally.
- Not forced. Some consistent position leaves it out — which is not the same as false.
What the solver computed
Four standoffs, and nothing else. The conversion view stands off against both
subsequence views, and so does the sacramental view; the two subsequence views
do not attack each other, and neither do the conversion and sacramental views.
Nothing is forced (spirit_baptism_forces_nothing). Every view can be defended
(conversion_defensible, pentecostal_defensible, holiness_defensible,
sacramental_defensible), in one of two camps, and nothing joins them: the
conversion and sacramental views together, and the Pentecostal and holiness
views together.
That is where the question stands in the literature, and the page says so rather
than choosing. The conversion and sacramental views agree that there is no
second baptism in the Spirit to seek, and differ over the rite, which this
dispute does not weigh. What would decide between the two camps is argued, not
weighed: what Luke's narratives are (pentecostal_cannot_read_acts_as_transitions
says the Pentecostal view must read them as a pattern), and whether
Paul's word at 1 Corinthians 12:13 and Luke's are the same baptism — a question
not yet encoded.
Strength
The conversion view's weakest link is disputed, at several places: its
reading of 1 Corinthians 12:13 and both of its steps.
theorem conversionCase_strength : conversionCase.strength = 0
-- axioms: propext
The Pentecostal view's weakest link is disputed, at several places: its
reading of 1 Corinthians 12:13, of Acts 8 and 19, of Luke's Spirit baptism, of
the narratives as a pattern, and its step from the instrumental reading.
theorem pentecostalCase_strength : pentecostalCase.strength = 0
-- axioms: propext
The holiness view's weakest link is disputed: its premise, and the step
Wesley contests.
theorem holinessCase_strength : holinessCase.strength = 0
-- axioms: propext
The sacramental view's weakest link is disputed, at several places: its
readings of the rite and both of its steps.
theorem sacramentalCase_strength : sacramentalCase.strength = 0
-- axioms: propext
The dispute
The package each view argues from.
def viewNode : View → ArgumentPackage Claim :=
fun x =>
match x with
| View.conversion => conversionCase
| View.pentecostal => pentecostalCase
| View.holiness => holinessCase
| View.sacramental => sacramentalCase
The dispute over Spirit baptism: every view can be held without contradiction, delivers its conclusion, and has its steps rated.
def spiritBaptismDispute : Dispute Claim View :=
{ node := viewNode,
consistent := spiritBaptismDispute._proof_1,
sound := spiritBaptismDispute._proof_2,
rated := spiritBaptismDispute._proof_7 }
conversion_stands_with_the_sacraments
The conversion and sacramental views can be held together: one reading satisfies both — every believer baptized in the Spirit at conversion, the Spirit given in the sacraments, and no second baptism to seek.
What this does not claim: that the two agree. They differ over what the rite does, which this dispute does not weigh; the result says only that nothing encoded here makes them contradict each other.
theorem conversion_stands_with_the_sacraments :
spiritBaptismDispute.StandTogether [View.conversion, View.sacramental]
-- axioms: propext, Classical.choice, Quot.sound
the_subsequence_views_stand_together
The two subsequence views can be held together: a second baptism to seek, whether read as empowerment or as the second work of grace. Whether it is the same second experience, the encoding does not say.
theorem the_subsequence_views_stand_together :
spiritBaptismDispute.StandTogether [View.pentecostal, View.holiness]
-- axioms: propext, Classical.choice, Quot.sound
The defeats of the dispute, as a table.
def viewDefeats : View → View → Prop :=
fun x x_1 =>
match x, x_1 with
| View.conversion, View.pentecostal => True
| View.conversion, View.holiness => True
| View.pentecostal, View.conversion => True
| View.pentecostal, View.sacramental => True
| View.holiness, View.conversion => True
| View.holiness, View.sacramental => True
| View.sacramental, View.pentecostal => True
| View.sacramental, View.holiness => True
| x, x_2 => False
instDecidableRelViewViewDefeats
The table is finite, so membership in it is decidable.
def instDecidableRelViewViewDefeats : DecidableRel viewDefeats
Each view's weakest link: disputed for every one.
def viewStrength : View → ℕ :=
fun x => 0
Each view's weakest link, as its package computes it.
theorem viewNode_strength : ∀ (i : View), (viewNode i).strength = viewStrength
i
-- axioms: propext
Who defeats whom, all 16 pairs: four standoffs, and nothing else. The
conversion view and each subsequence view defeat each other — "no second to
seek" against "a second to seek" — and the Pentecostal view also denies the
conversion reading of 1 Corinthians 12:13. The sacramental view and each
subsequence view defeat each other on the same point. Every cell is computed by
Horn.defeats? and checked by the kernel.
theorem spiritBaptismDispute_defeats : ∀ (i j : View),
spiritBaptismDispute.defeats i j ↔ viewDefeats i j
-- axioms: propext, Classical.choice, Quot.sound
The dispute in the form the verdict solver computes with.
def spiritBaptismFinite : Solver.Finite spiritBaptismDispute.defeats :=
{
parties :=
[View.conversion, View.pentecostal,
View.holiness, View.sacramental],
complete := spiritBaptismFinite._proof_1,
defeats := fun i j => decide (viewDefeats i j),
spec := spiritBaptismFinite._proof_2 }
Nothing supports anything, in all 16 pairs. Every cell is computed by
supports? and checked by the kernel.
theorem spiritBaptismDispute_supports : ∀ (i j : View),
¬spiritBaptismDispute.supports i j
-- axioms: propext, Classical.choice, Quot.sound
Each view's case is part of its own and of no other's. Every cell is computed
by partOf? and checked by the kernel.
theorem spiritBaptismDispute_partOf : ∀ (i j : View),
spiritBaptismDispute.partOf i j ↔ i = j
-- axioms: propext, Classical.choice, Quot.sound
The dispute over Spirit baptism drawn: who defeats whom.
Solid red: defeats. Dashed green: supports. Dotted blue: one party's case is part of another's.
| # | Party |
|---|---|
| 1 | At conversion (Dunn, Stott) |
| 2 | After conversion (Assemblies of God; Menzies, Stronstad) |
| 3 | A second work of grace (the holiness tradition) |
| 4 | In baptism and confirmation (Catholic) |
| From | To | Edge |
|---|---|---|
| 1 At conversion (Dunn, Stott) | 2 After conversion (Assemblies of God; Menzies, Stronstad) | defeats |
| 1 At conversion (Dunn, Stott) | 3 A second work of grace (the holiness tradition) | defeats |
| 2 After conversion (Assemblies of God; Menzies, Stronstad) | 1 At conversion (Dunn, Stott) | defeats |
| 2 After conversion (Assemblies of God; Menzies, Stronstad) | 4 In baptism and confirmation (Catholic) | defeats |
| 3 A second work of grace (the holiness tradition) | 1 At conversion (Dunn, Stott) | defeats |
| 3 A second work of grace (the holiness tradition) | 4 In baptism and confirmation (Catholic) | defeats |
| 4 In baptism and confirmation (Catholic) | 2 After conversion (Assemblies of God; Menzies, Stronstad) | defeats |
| 4 In baptism and confirmation (Catholic) | 3 A second work of grace (the holiness tradition) | defeats |
The defeats are the cells of spiritBaptismDispute_defeats, the supports the cells of spiritBaptismDispute_supports and the parts the cells of spiritBaptismDispute_partOf, each computed from the parties' premises and checked by the kernel. The attacks derived through support and through parts are reported, not counted: every verdict is computed from the defeats alone. Every derived attack is already a defeat.
What the dispute decides
Why nothing is forced: every view has a defeater. The conversion view has the Pentecostal, the Pentecostal and holiness views have the conversion view, and the sacramental view has the Pentecostal.
Nothing prevails outright: every party is defeated by another.
- After conversion (Assemblies of God; Menzies, Stronstad) defeats At conversion (Dunn, Stott).
- At conversion (Dunn, Stott) defeats After conversion (Assemblies of God; Menzies, Stronstad).
- At conversion (Dunn, Stott) defeats A second work of grace (the holiness tradition).
- After conversion (Assemblies of God; Menzies, Stronstad) defeats In baptism and confirmation (Catholic).
What this rests on. The reasons state 4 defeats and 0 absences of defeat, each a cell of the defeat table, spiritBaptismDispute_defeats, computed from the two parties' premises and checked by the kernel. Whether an attack survives turns on the attacker's weakest link and on the rating of what it attacks, so a changed rating can change the verdict. The weakest links:
- After conversion (Assemblies of God; Menzies, Stronstad), weakest at disputed:
- 1 Corinthians 12:13 is baptism by the Spirit into the body, not Christ baptizing in the Spirit —
assemblies-of-god-baptism-holy-spirit-2010 - Acts 8:14–17 and 19:1–7 — believers, already baptized, receive the Spirit afterwards (so the Assemblies of God; Dunn denies they were yet believers) —
assemblies-of-god-baptism-holy-spirit-2010; Acts 8:14-17; Acts 19:1-7 - In Luke-Acts, baptism in the Spirit is prophetic empowerment, distinct from the gift Paul ties to conversion —
menzies-lukes-understanding-2017;menzies-empowered-witness-1994;stronstad-charismatic-theology-1984 - Luke's narratives of receiving the Spirit are a pattern for believers today —
stronstad-charismatic-theology-1984;assemblies-of-god-baptism-holy-spirit-2010 - an inference step —
assemblies-of-god-baptism-holy-spirit-2010;dunn-baptism-holy-spirit-1970;stott-baptism-fullness-1975
- 1 Corinthians 12:13 is baptism by the Spirit into the body, not Christ baptizing in the Spirit —
- At conversion (Dunn, Stott), weakest at disputed:
- 1 Corinthians 12:13 is the baptism in the Spirit Christ gives, received by every believer at conversion —
dunn-baptism-holy-spirit-1970;stott-baptism-fullness-1975 - an inference step —
dunn-baptism-holy-spirit-1970;stott-baptism-fullness-1975;assemblies-of-god-baptism-holy-spirit-2010 - an inference step —
menzies-lukes-understanding-2017;menzies-empowered-witness-1994
- 1 Corinthians 12:13 is the baptism in the Spirit Christ gives, received by every believer at conversion —
- A second work of grace (the holiness tradition), weakest at disputed:
- Entire sanctification is a second work of grace after justification —
church-of-the-nazarene-manual-2023, §Articles of Faith, X, ¶10;wesley-letters-1931, §to Joseph Benson, 28 December 1770;bassett-white-paper-article-x-2010 - an inference step —
wesley-letters-1931, §to Joseph Benson, 28 December 1770;bassett-white-paper-article-x-2010
- Entire sanctification is a second work of grace after justification —
- In baptism and confirmation (Catholic), weakest at disputed:
- The Spirit is given in water baptism: new birth in the Holy Spirit —
catholic-church-catechism-2000, §1262;catholic-church-catechism-2000, §1265;kolb-wengert-book-of-concord-2000, §Small Catechism, Baptism, third part - Confirmation gives the full outpouring of the Spirit, as at Pentecost and in Samaria —
catholic-church-catechism-2000, §1302;catholic-church-catechism-2000, §1288 - an inference step —
catholic-church-catechism-2000, §1302;westminster-confession-1647, §XXVIII.6 - an inference step —
catholic-church-catechism-2000, §1302
- The Spirit is given in water baptism: new birth in the Holy Spirit —
Nothing is forced. Every view is in a standoff the dispute cannot resolve,
and every weakest link is disputed, so no rating breaks a tie.
What this does not claim: that the question is idle. Each view can be defended; what the dispute cannot do is choose between readings rated alike.
theorem spirit_baptism_forces_nothing : Framework.grounded
spiritBaptismDispute.defeats = ∅
-- axioms: propext, Classical.choice, Quot.sound
conversionStandsWithTheSacraments
Why the conversion view can be defended: it stands with the sacramental view, and answers both subsequence views, itself.
At conversion (Dunn, Stott) is accepted on some resolution.
- A position holding At conversion (Dunn, Stott), In baptism and confirmation (Catholic) can be held.
- None of At conversion (Dunn, Stott), In baptism and confirmation (Catholic) defeats another, and each attack on them is answered from among them:
- After conversion (Assemblies of God; Menzies, Stronstad) defeats At conversion (Dunn, Stott), and At conversion (Dunn, Stott) defeats After conversion (Assemblies of God; Menzies, Stronstad).
- A second work of grace (the holiness tradition) defeats At conversion (Dunn, Stott), and At conversion (Dunn, Stott) defeats A second work of grace (the holiness tradition).
- After conversion (Assemblies of God; Menzies, Stronstad) defeats In baptism and confirmation (Catholic), and At conversion (Dunn, Stott) defeats After conversion (Assemblies of God; Menzies, Stronstad).
- A second work of grace (the holiness tradition) defeats In baptism and confirmation (Catholic), and At conversion (Dunn, Stott) defeats A second work of grace (the holiness tradition).
What this rests on. The reasons state 6 defeats and 4 absences of defeat, each a cell of the defeat table, spiritBaptismDispute_defeats, computed from the two parties' premises and checked by the kernel. Whether an attack survives turns on the attacker's weakest link and on the rating of what it attacks, so a changed rating can change the verdict. The weakest links:
- At conversion (Dunn, Stott), weakest at disputed:
- 1 Corinthians 12:13 is the baptism in the Spirit Christ gives, received by every believer at conversion —
dunn-baptism-holy-spirit-1970;stott-baptism-fullness-1975 - an inference step —
dunn-baptism-holy-spirit-1970;stott-baptism-fullness-1975;assemblies-of-god-baptism-holy-spirit-2010 - an inference step —
menzies-lukes-understanding-2017;menzies-empowered-witness-1994
- 1 Corinthians 12:13 is the baptism in the Spirit Christ gives, received by every believer at conversion —
- In baptism and confirmation (Catholic), weakest at disputed:
- The Spirit is given in water baptism: new birth in the Holy Spirit —
catholic-church-catechism-2000, §1262;catholic-church-catechism-2000, §1265;kolb-wengert-book-of-concord-2000, §Small Catechism, Baptism, third part - Confirmation gives the full outpouring of the Spirit, as at Pentecost and in Samaria —
catholic-church-catechism-2000, §1302;catholic-church-catechism-2000, §1288 - an inference step —
catholic-church-catechism-2000, §1302;westminster-confession-1647, §XXVIII.6 - an inference step —
catholic-church-catechism-2000, §1302
- The Spirit is given in water baptism: new birth in the Holy Spirit —
- After conversion (Assemblies of God; Menzies, Stronstad), weakest at disputed:
- 1 Corinthians 12:13 is baptism by the Spirit into the body, not Christ baptizing in the Spirit —
assemblies-of-god-baptism-holy-spirit-2010 - Acts 8:14–17 and 19:1–7 — believers, already baptized, receive the Spirit afterwards (so the Assemblies of God; Dunn denies they were yet believers) —
assemblies-of-god-baptism-holy-spirit-2010; Acts 8:14-17; Acts 19:1-7 - In Luke-Acts, baptism in the Spirit is prophetic empowerment, distinct from the gift Paul ties to conversion —
menzies-lukes-understanding-2017;menzies-empowered-witness-1994;stronstad-charismatic-theology-1984 - Luke's narratives of receiving the Spirit are a pattern for believers today —
stronstad-charismatic-theology-1984;assemblies-of-god-baptism-holy-spirit-2010 - an inference step —
assemblies-of-god-baptism-holy-spirit-2010;dunn-baptism-holy-spirit-1970;stott-baptism-fullness-1975
- 1 Corinthians 12:13 is baptism by the Spirit into the body, not Christ baptizing in the Spirit —
- A second work of grace (the holiness tradition), weakest at disputed:
- Entire sanctification is a second work of grace after justification —
church-of-the-nazarene-manual-2023, §Articles of Faith, X, ¶10;wesley-letters-1931, §to Joseph Benson, 28 December 1770;bassett-white-paper-article-x-2010 - an inference step —
wesley-letters-1931, §to Joseph Benson, 28 December 1770;bassett-white-paper-article-x-2010
- Entire sanctification is a second work of grace after justification —
The conversion view can be defended, with the sacramental view: some maximal defensible position — one no other party can join without losing that — holds both.
theorem conversion_defensible : Framework.CredulouslyAccepted
spiritBaptismDispute.defeats View.conversion
-- axioms: propext, Classical.choice, Quot.sound
Why the conversion view is not forced: a defensible position holds the Pentecostal view, and it defeats the conversion view.
At conversion (Dunn, Stott) is not accepted on every resolution.
- A position holding After conversion (Assemblies of God; Menzies, Stronstad), A second work of grace (the holiness tradition) can be held, and it holds After conversion (Assemblies of God; Menzies, Stronstad); After conversion (Assemblies of God; Menzies, Stronstad) conflicts with At conversion (Dunn, Stott): After conversion (Assemblies of God; Menzies, Stronstad) defeats At conversion (Dunn, Stott), and At conversion (Dunn, Stott) defeats After conversion (Assemblies of God; Menzies, Stronstad).
- None of After conversion (Assemblies of God; Menzies, Stronstad), A second work of grace (the holiness tradition) defeats another, and each attack on them is answered from among them:
- At conversion (Dunn, Stott) defeats After conversion (Assemblies of God; Menzies, Stronstad), and After conversion (Assemblies of God; Menzies, Stronstad) defeats At conversion (Dunn, Stott).
- In baptism and confirmation (Catholic) defeats After conversion (Assemblies of God; Menzies, Stronstad), and After conversion (Assemblies of God; Menzies, Stronstad) defeats In baptism and confirmation (Catholic).
- At conversion (Dunn, Stott) defeats A second work of grace (the holiness tradition), and After conversion (Assemblies of God; Menzies, Stronstad) defeats At conversion (Dunn, Stott).
- In baptism and confirmation (Catholic) defeats A second work of grace (the holiness tradition), and After conversion (Assemblies of God; Menzies, Stronstad) defeats In baptism and confirmation (Catholic).
What this rests on. The reasons state 6 defeats and 4 absences of defeat, each a cell of the defeat table, spiritBaptismDispute_defeats, computed from the two parties' premises and checked by the kernel. Whether an attack survives turns on the attacker's weakest link and on the rating of what it attacks, so a changed rating can change the verdict. The weakest links:
- After conversion (Assemblies of God; Menzies, Stronstad), weakest at disputed:
- 1 Corinthians 12:13 is baptism by the Spirit into the body, not Christ baptizing in the Spirit —
assemblies-of-god-baptism-holy-spirit-2010 - Acts 8:14–17 and 19:1–7 — believers, already baptized, receive the Spirit afterwards (so the Assemblies of God; Dunn denies they were yet believers) —
assemblies-of-god-baptism-holy-spirit-2010; Acts 8:14-17; Acts 19:1-7 - In Luke-Acts, baptism in the Spirit is prophetic empowerment, distinct from the gift Paul ties to conversion —
menzies-lukes-understanding-2017;menzies-empowered-witness-1994;stronstad-charismatic-theology-1984 - Luke's narratives of receiving the Spirit are a pattern for believers today —
stronstad-charismatic-theology-1984;assemblies-of-god-baptism-holy-spirit-2010 - an inference step —
assemblies-of-god-baptism-holy-spirit-2010;dunn-baptism-holy-spirit-1970;stott-baptism-fullness-1975
- 1 Corinthians 12:13 is baptism by the Spirit into the body, not Christ baptizing in the Spirit —
- At conversion (Dunn, Stott), weakest at disputed:
- 1 Corinthians 12:13 is the baptism in the Spirit Christ gives, received by every believer at conversion —
dunn-baptism-holy-spirit-1970;stott-baptism-fullness-1975 - an inference step —
dunn-baptism-holy-spirit-1970;stott-baptism-fullness-1975;assemblies-of-god-baptism-holy-spirit-2010 - an inference step —
menzies-lukes-understanding-2017;menzies-empowered-witness-1994
- 1 Corinthians 12:13 is the baptism in the Spirit Christ gives, received by every believer at conversion —
- A second work of grace (the holiness tradition), weakest at disputed:
- Entire sanctification is a second work of grace after justification —
church-of-the-nazarene-manual-2023, §Articles of Faith, X, ¶10;wesley-letters-1931, §to Joseph Benson, 28 December 1770;bassett-white-paper-article-x-2010 - an inference step —
wesley-letters-1931, §to Joseph Benson, 28 December 1770;bassett-white-paper-article-x-2010
- Entire sanctification is a second work of grace after justification —
- In baptism and confirmation (Catholic), weakest at disputed:
- The Spirit is given in water baptism: new birth in the Holy Spirit —
catholic-church-catechism-2000, §1262;catholic-church-catechism-2000, §1265;kolb-wengert-book-of-concord-2000, §Small Catechism, Baptism, third part - Confirmation gives the full outpouring of the Spirit, as at Pentecost and in Samaria —
catholic-church-catechism-2000, §1302;catholic-church-catechism-2000, §1288 - an inference step —
catholic-church-catechism-2000, §1302;westminster-confession-1647, §XXVIII.6 - an inference step —
catholic-church-catechism-2000, §1302
- The Spirit is given in water baptism: new birth in the Holy Spirit —
Nor is it forced. A maximal defensible position holds the Pentecostal and holiness views, and cannot hold the conversion view with them.
theorem conversion_not_forced : ¬Framework.SkepticallyAccepted
spiritBaptismDispute.defeats View.conversion
-- axioms: propext, Classical.choice, Quot.sound
Why the Pentecostal view can be defended: it stands with the holiness view, and answers both the conversion and sacramental views itself.
After conversion (Assemblies of God; Menzies, Stronstad) is accepted on some resolution.
- A position holding After conversion (Assemblies of God; Menzies, Stronstad), A second work of grace (the holiness tradition) can be held.
- None of After conversion (Assemblies of God; Menzies, Stronstad), A second work of grace (the holiness tradition) defeats another, and each attack on them is answered from among them:
- At conversion (Dunn, Stott) defeats After conversion (Assemblies of God; Menzies, Stronstad), and After conversion (Assemblies of God; Menzies, Stronstad) defeats At conversion (Dunn, Stott).
- In baptism and confirmation (Catholic) defeats After conversion (Assemblies of God; Menzies, Stronstad), and After conversion (Assemblies of God; Menzies, Stronstad) defeats In baptism and confirmation (Catholic).
- At conversion (Dunn, Stott) defeats A second work of grace (the holiness tradition), and After conversion (Assemblies of God; Menzies, Stronstad) defeats At conversion (Dunn, Stott).
- In baptism and confirmation (Catholic) defeats A second work of grace (the holiness tradition), and After conversion (Assemblies of God; Menzies, Stronstad) defeats In baptism and confirmation (Catholic).
What this rests on. The reasons state 6 defeats and 4 absences of defeat, each a cell of the defeat table, spiritBaptismDispute_defeats, computed from the two parties' premises and checked by the kernel. Whether an attack survives turns on the attacker's weakest link and on the rating of what it attacks, so a changed rating can change the verdict. The weakest links:
- After conversion (Assemblies of God; Menzies, Stronstad), weakest at disputed:
- 1 Corinthians 12:13 is baptism by the Spirit into the body, not Christ baptizing in the Spirit —
assemblies-of-god-baptism-holy-spirit-2010 - Acts 8:14–17 and 19:1–7 — believers, already baptized, receive the Spirit afterwards (so the Assemblies of God; Dunn denies they were yet believers) —
assemblies-of-god-baptism-holy-spirit-2010; Acts 8:14-17; Acts 19:1-7 - In Luke-Acts, baptism in the Spirit is prophetic empowerment, distinct from the gift Paul ties to conversion —
menzies-lukes-understanding-2017;menzies-empowered-witness-1994;stronstad-charismatic-theology-1984 - Luke's narratives of receiving the Spirit are a pattern for believers today —
stronstad-charismatic-theology-1984;assemblies-of-god-baptism-holy-spirit-2010 - an inference step —
assemblies-of-god-baptism-holy-spirit-2010;dunn-baptism-holy-spirit-1970;stott-baptism-fullness-1975
- 1 Corinthians 12:13 is baptism by the Spirit into the body, not Christ baptizing in the Spirit —
- A second work of grace (the holiness tradition), weakest at disputed:
- Entire sanctification is a second work of grace after justification —
church-of-the-nazarene-manual-2023, §Articles of Faith, X, ¶10;wesley-letters-1931, §to Joseph Benson, 28 December 1770;bassett-white-paper-article-x-2010 - an inference step —
wesley-letters-1931, §to Joseph Benson, 28 December 1770;bassett-white-paper-article-x-2010
- Entire sanctification is a second work of grace after justification —
- At conversion (Dunn, Stott), weakest at disputed:
- 1 Corinthians 12:13 is the baptism in the Spirit Christ gives, received by every believer at conversion —
dunn-baptism-holy-spirit-1970;stott-baptism-fullness-1975 - an inference step —
dunn-baptism-holy-spirit-1970;stott-baptism-fullness-1975;assemblies-of-god-baptism-holy-spirit-2010 - an inference step —
menzies-lukes-understanding-2017;menzies-empowered-witness-1994
- 1 Corinthians 12:13 is the baptism in the Spirit Christ gives, received by every believer at conversion —
- In baptism and confirmation (Catholic), weakest at disputed:
- The Spirit is given in water baptism: new birth in the Holy Spirit —
catholic-church-catechism-2000, §1262;catholic-church-catechism-2000, §1265;kolb-wengert-book-of-concord-2000, §Small Catechism, Baptism, third part - Confirmation gives the full outpouring of the Spirit, as at Pentecost and in Samaria —
catholic-church-catechism-2000, §1302;catholic-church-catechism-2000, §1288 - an inference step —
catholic-church-catechism-2000, §1302;westminster-confession-1647, §XXVIII.6 - an inference step —
catholic-church-catechism-2000, §1302
- The Spirit is given in water baptism: new birth in the Holy Spirit —
The Pentecostal view can be defended, with the holiness view.
theorem pentecostal_defensible : Framework.CredulouslyAccepted
spiritBaptismDispute.defeats View.pentecostal
-- axioms: propext, Classical.choice, Quot.sound
pentecostalAnsweredByConversion
Why the Pentecostal view is not forced: a defensible position holds the conversion view, and it defeats the Pentecostal view.
After conversion (Assemblies of God; Menzies, Stronstad) is not accepted on every resolution.
- A position holding At conversion (Dunn, Stott), In baptism and confirmation (Catholic) can be held, and it holds At conversion (Dunn, Stott); At conversion (Dunn, Stott) conflicts with After conversion (Assemblies of God; Menzies, Stronstad): At conversion (Dunn, Stott) defeats After conversion (Assemblies of God; Menzies, Stronstad), and After conversion (Assemblies of God; Menzies, Stronstad) defeats At conversion (Dunn, Stott).
- None of At conversion (Dunn, Stott), In baptism and confirmation (Catholic) defeats another, and each attack on them is answered from among them:
- After conversion (Assemblies of God; Menzies, Stronstad) defeats At conversion (Dunn, Stott), and At conversion (Dunn, Stott) defeats After conversion (Assemblies of God; Menzies, Stronstad).
- A second work of grace (the holiness tradition) defeats At conversion (Dunn, Stott), and At conversion (Dunn, Stott) defeats A second work of grace (the holiness tradition).
- After conversion (Assemblies of God; Menzies, Stronstad) defeats In baptism and confirmation (Catholic), and At conversion (Dunn, Stott) defeats After conversion (Assemblies of God; Menzies, Stronstad).
- A second work of grace (the holiness tradition) defeats In baptism and confirmation (Catholic), and At conversion (Dunn, Stott) defeats A second work of grace (the holiness tradition).
What this rests on. The reasons state 6 defeats and 4 absences of defeat, each a cell of the defeat table, spiritBaptismDispute_defeats, computed from the two parties' premises and checked by the kernel. Whether an attack survives turns on the attacker's weakest link and on the rating of what it attacks, so a changed rating can change the verdict. The weakest links:
- At conversion (Dunn, Stott), weakest at disputed:
- 1 Corinthians 12:13 is the baptism in the Spirit Christ gives, received by every believer at conversion —
dunn-baptism-holy-spirit-1970;stott-baptism-fullness-1975 - an inference step —
dunn-baptism-holy-spirit-1970;stott-baptism-fullness-1975;assemblies-of-god-baptism-holy-spirit-2010 - an inference step —
menzies-lukes-understanding-2017;menzies-empowered-witness-1994
- 1 Corinthians 12:13 is the baptism in the Spirit Christ gives, received by every believer at conversion —
- After conversion (Assemblies of God; Menzies, Stronstad), weakest at disputed:
- 1 Corinthians 12:13 is baptism by the Spirit into the body, not Christ baptizing in the Spirit —
assemblies-of-god-baptism-holy-spirit-2010 - Acts 8:14–17 and 19:1–7 — believers, already baptized, receive the Spirit afterwards (so the Assemblies of God; Dunn denies they were yet believers) —
assemblies-of-god-baptism-holy-spirit-2010; Acts 8:14-17; Acts 19:1-7 - In Luke-Acts, baptism in the Spirit is prophetic empowerment, distinct from the gift Paul ties to conversion —
menzies-lukes-understanding-2017;menzies-empowered-witness-1994;stronstad-charismatic-theology-1984 - Luke's narratives of receiving the Spirit are a pattern for believers today —
stronstad-charismatic-theology-1984;assemblies-of-god-baptism-holy-spirit-2010 - an inference step —
assemblies-of-god-baptism-holy-spirit-2010;dunn-baptism-holy-spirit-1970;stott-baptism-fullness-1975
- 1 Corinthians 12:13 is baptism by the Spirit into the body, not Christ baptizing in the Spirit —
- In baptism and confirmation (Catholic), weakest at disputed:
- The Spirit is given in water baptism: new birth in the Holy Spirit —
catholic-church-catechism-2000, §1262;catholic-church-catechism-2000, §1265;kolb-wengert-book-of-concord-2000, §Small Catechism, Baptism, third part - Confirmation gives the full outpouring of the Spirit, as at Pentecost and in Samaria —
catholic-church-catechism-2000, §1302;catholic-church-catechism-2000, §1288 - an inference step —
catholic-church-catechism-2000, §1302;westminster-confession-1647, §XXVIII.6 - an inference step —
catholic-church-catechism-2000, §1302
- The Spirit is given in water baptism: new birth in the Holy Spirit —
- A second work of grace (the holiness tradition), weakest at disputed:
- Entire sanctification is a second work of grace after justification —
church-of-the-nazarene-manual-2023, §Articles of Faith, X, ¶10;wesley-letters-1931, §to Joseph Benson, 28 December 1770;bassett-white-paper-article-x-2010 - an inference step —
wesley-letters-1931, §to Joseph Benson, 28 December 1770;bassett-white-paper-article-x-2010
- Entire sanctification is a second work of grace after justification —
Nor is it forced. A maximal defensible position holds the conversion and
sacramental views, and cannot hold the Pentecostal view with them. What would
decide is argued, not weighed: what the Acts narratives are
(pentecostal_cannot_read_acts_as_transitions).
theorem pentecostal_not_forced : ¬Framework.SkepticallyAccepted
spiritBaptismDispute.defeats View.pentecostal
-- axioms: propext, Classical.choice, Quot.sound
Why the holiness view can be defended: it stands with the Pentecostal view, which answers the conversion and sacramental views.
A second work of grace (the holiness tradition) is accepted on some resolution.
- A position holding After conversion (Assemblies of God; Menzies, Stronstad), A second work of grace (the holiness tradition) can be held.
- None of After conversion (Assemblies of God; Menzies, Stronstad), A second work of grace (the holiness tradition) defeats another, and each attack on them is answered from among them:
- At conversion (Dunn, Stott) defeats After conversion (Assemblies of God; Menzies, Stronstad), and After conversion (Assemblies of God; Menzies, Stronstad) defeats At conversion (Dunn, Stott).
- In baptism and confirmation (Catholic) defeats After conversion (Assemblies of God; Menzies, Stronstad), and After conversion (Assemblies of God; Menzies, Stronstad) defeats In baptism and confirmation (Catholic).
- At conversion (Dunn, Stott) defeats A second work of grace (the holiness tradition), and After conversion (Assemblies of God; Menzies, Stronstad) defeats At conversion (Dunn, Stott).
- In baptism and confirmation (Catholic) defeats A second work of grace (the holiness tradition), and After conversion (Assemblies of God; Menzies, Stronstad) defeats In baptism and confirmation (Catholic).
What this rests on. The reasons state 6 defeats and 4 absences of defeat, each a cell of the defeat table, spiritBaptismDispute_defeats, computed from the two parties' premises and checked by the kernel. Whether an attack survives turns on the attacker's weakest link and on the rating of what it attacks, so a changed rating can change the verdict. The weakest links:
- After conversion (Assemblies of God; Menzies, Stronstad), weakest at disputed:
- 1 Corinthians 12:13 is baptism by the Spirit into the body, not Christ baptizing in the Spirit —
assemblies-of-god-baptism-holy-spirit-2010 - Acts 8:14–17 and 19:1–7 — believers, already baptized, receive the Spirit afterwards (so the Assemblies of God; Dunn denies they were yet believers) —
assemblies-of-god-baptism-holy-spirit-2010; Acts 8:14-17; Acts 19:1-7 - In Luke-Acts, baptism in the Spirit is prophetic empowerment, distinct from the gift Paul ties to conversion —
menzies-lukes-understanding-2017;menzies-empowered-witness-1994;stronstad-charismatic-theology-1984 - Luke's narratives of receiving the Spirit are a pattern for believers today —
stronstad-charismatic-theology-1984;assemblies-of-god-baptism-holy-spirit-2010 - an inference step —
assemblies-of-god-baptism-holy-spirit-2010;dunn-baptism-holy-spirit-1970;stott-baptism-fullness-1975
- 1 Corinthians 12:13 is baptism by the Spirit into the body, not Christ baptizing in the Spirit —
- A second work of grace (the holiness tradition), weakest at disputed:
- Entire sanctification is a second work of grace after justification —
church-of-the-nazarene-manual-2023, §Articles of Faith, X, ¶10;wesley-letters-1931, §to Joseph Benson, 28 December 1770;bassett-white-paper-article-x-2010 - an inference step —
wesley-letters-1931, §to Joseph Benson, 28 December 1770;bassett-white-paper-article-x-2010
- Entire sanctification is a second work of grace after justification —
- At conversion (Dunn, Stott), weakest at disputed:
- 1 Corinthians 12:13 is the baptism in the Spirit Christ gives, received by every believer at conversion —
dunn-baptism-holy-spirit-1970;stott-baptism-fullness-1975 - an inference step —
dunn-baptism-holy-spirit-1970;stott-baptism-fullness-1975;assemblies-of-god-baptism-holy-spirit-2010 - an inference step —
menzies-lukes-understanding-2017;menzies-empowered-witness-1994
- 1 Corinthians 12:13 is the baptism in the Spirit Christ gives, received by every believer at conversion —
- In baptism and confirmation (Catholic), weakest at disputed:
- The Spirit is given in water baptism: new birth in the Holy Spirit —
catholic-church-catechism-2000, §1262;catholic-church-catechism-2000, §1265;kolb-wengert-book-of-concord-2000, §Small Catechism, Baptism, third part - Confirmation gives the full outpouring of the Spirit, as at Pentecost and in Samaria —
catholic-church-catechism-2000, §1302;catholic-church-catechism-2000, §1288 - an inference step —
catholic-church-catechism-2000, §1302;westminster-confession-1647, §XXVIII.6 - an inference step —
catholic-church-catechism-2000, §1302
- The Spirit is given in water baptism: new birth in the Holy Spirit —
The holiness view can be defended, with the Pentecostal view. Not forced, for the same reason the Pentecostal view is not.
theorem holiness_defensible : Framework.CredulouslyAccepted
spiritBaptismDispute.defeats View.holiness
-- axioms: propext, Classical.choice, Quot.sound
sacramentalStandsWithConversion
Why the sacramental view can be defended: it stands with the conversion view, which answers both subsequence views.
In baptism and confirmation (Catholic) is accepted on some resolution.
- A position holding At conversion (Dunn, Stott), In baptism and confirmation (Catholic) can be held.
- None of At conversion (Dunn, Stott), In baptism and confirmation (Catholic) defeats another, and each attack on them is answered from among them:
- After conversion (Assemblies of God; Menzies, Stronstad) defeats At conversion (Dunn, Stott), and At conversion (Dunn, Stott) defeats After conversion (Assemblies of God; Menzies, Stronstad).
- A second work of grace (the holiness tradition) defeats At conversion (Dunn, Stott), and At conversion (Dunn, Stott) defeats A second work of grace (the holiness tradition).
- After conversion (Assemblies of God; Menzies, Stronstad) defeats In baptism and confirmation (Catholic), and At conversion (Dunn, Stott) defeats After conversion (Assemblies of God; Menzies, Stronstad).
- A second work of grace (the holiness tradition) defeats In baptism and confirmation (Catholic), and At conversion (Dunn, Stott) defeats A second work of grace (the holiness tradition).
What this rests on. The reasons state 6 defeats and 4 absences of defeat, each a cell of the defeat table, spiritBaptismDispute_defeats, computed from the two parties' premises and checked by the kernel. Whether an attack survives turns on the attacker's weakest link and on the rating of what it attacks, so a changed rating can change the verdict. The weakest links:
- At conversion (Dunn, Stott), weakest at disputed:
- 1 Corinthians 12:13 is the baptism in the Spirit Christ gives, received by every believer at conversion —
dunn-baptism-holy-spirit-1970;stott-baptism-fullness-1975 - an inference step —
dunn-baptism-holy-spirit-1970;stott-baptism-fullness-1975;assemblies-of-god-baptism-holy-spirit-2010 - an inference step —
menzies-lukes-understanding-2017;menzies-empowered-witness-1994
- 1 Corinthians 12:13 is the baptism in the Spirit Christ gives, received by every believer at conversion —
- In baptism and confirmation (Catholic), weakest at disputed:
- The Spirit is given in water baptism: new birth in the Holy Spirit —
catholic-church-catechism-2000, §1262;catholic-church-catechism-2000, §1265;kolb-wengert-book-of-concord-2000, §Small Catechism, Baptism, third part - Confirmation gives the full outpouring of the Spirit, as at Pentecost and in Samaria —
catholic-church-catechism-2000, §1302;catholic-church-catechism-2000, §1288 - an inference step —
catholic-church-catechism-2000, §1302;westminster-confession-1647, §XXVIII.6 - an inference step —
catholic-church-catechism-2000, §1302
- The Spirit is given in water baptism: new birth in the Holy Spirit —
- After conversion (Assemblies of God; Menzies, Stronstad), weakest at disputed:
- 1 Corinthians 12:13 is baptism by the Spirit into the body, not Christ baptizing in the Spirit —
assemblies-of-god-baptism-holy-spirit-2010 - Acts 8:14–17 and 19:1–7 — believers, already baptized, receive the Spirit afterwards (so the Assemblies of God; Dunn denies they were yet believers) —
assemblies-of-god-baptism-holy-spirit-2010; Acts 8:14-17; Acts 19:1-7 - In Luke-Acts, baptism in the Spirit is prophetic empowerment, distinct from the gift Paul ties to conversion —
menzies-lukes-understanding-2017;menzies-empowered-witness-1994;stronstad-charismatic-theology-1984 - Luke's narratives of receiving the Spirit are a pattern for believers today —
stronstad-charismatic-theology-1984;assemblies-of-god-baptism-holy-spirit-2010 - an inference step —
assemblies-of-god-baptism-holy-spirit-2010;dunn-baptism-holy-spirit-1970;stott-baptism-fullness-1975
- 1 Corinthians 12:13 is baptism by the Spirit into the body, not Christ baptizing in the Spirit —
- A second work of grace (the holiness tradition), weakest at disputed:
- Entire sanctification is a second work of grace after justification —
church-of-the-nazarene-manual-2023, §Articles of Faith, X, ¶10;wesley-letters-1931, §to Joseph Benson, 28 December 1770;bassett-white-paper-article-x-2010 - an inference step —
wesley-letters-1931, §to Joseph Benson, 28 December 1770;bassett-white-paper-article-x-2010
- Entire sanctification is a second work of grace after justification —
The sacramental view can be defended, with the conversion view. Not forced, for the same reason the conversion view is not.
theorem sacramental_defensible : Framework.CredulouslyAccepted
spiritBaptismDispute.defeats View.sacramental
-- axioms: propext, Classical.choice, Quot.sound
What the Pentecostal view can read Acts as
pentecostal_cannot_read_acts_as_transitions
The Pentecostal view cannot read Acts as transitions. Its own premise is
that Luke's narratives are a pattern for believers today, and Stott's reading
says, in its own words, that they are "not a pattern"
(TestimonyArguments.Meanings.SpiritBaptism.joins). So what the view holds, read for
what its claims mean, denies the transitions reading outright.
What this claims: the Pentecostal view must read the Acts narratives as a
pattern; the other reading is not open to it. What it does not claim: that the
pattern reading is right. Read as a pattern, the narratives still meet the
variety of Acts (whereTheVarietyMeetsThePattern), at a step the Assemblies of
God contest.
Before the two readings were joined by meaning, this was a dilemma with two horns, and the transitions horn broke only at Stott's step from transitions to no norm. Joined, the horn is not there to break: no reader can hold the Pentecostal view and read Acts as transitions.
theorem pentecostal_cannot_read_acts_as_transitions : Entails
pentecostalCase.held (notP Claim.actsEpisodesAreTransitions)
-- axioms: propext, Quot.sound
Stott's reading meets the Pentecostal view at its premise. Read for what its claims mean, Acts as transitions denies that the narratives are a pattern, and that is one of the Pentecostal view's premises. Before the join it met the view only at Stott's step, as a reason not to seek a second baptism; now it contradicts what the view rests on. Whether that attack is a defeat is a question of ratings, and this argument's dispute does not seat Stott's reading as a party.
theorem stott_undermines_the_pattern : UnderminesOn transitionCase
pentecostalCase (p Claim.actsNarrativesAreNormative)
-- axioms: propext, Quot.sound